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Post by (B/229) Painter Thu 09 Feb 2017, 23:01

Thanks a lot for the flight!
Comments on the mission design appreciated...
From the mission designers point of view at least most of the mission was working as intended. Only it was quiet some time to wait at the Farp for the slicks. I will think about it how I can shorten this waiting time or how I can make thinks a bit more interesting during this time.
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Post by (B/229) Specter Thu 09 Feb 2017, 23:04

Great mission mate z lot of fun Smile

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Post by (B/229) Specter Fri 10 Feb 2017, 08:22

on a Thursday I too am normally available later, 7 or 7:30 is a bit of a push for me as the missus is a midwife so cannot gurantee what time she finishes,

Last night was perfect for me though

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Post by (B/229) Blade Fri 10 Feb 2017, 08:39

Hay Painter,

very nice and challanging mission. As you wrote too, the Slicks had a bit much time idling on the ground waiting for CAS to clear the LZ. Maybe the CAS flight should start so much earlier? I might be wrong tough, and it was great fun nontheless. Thanks!

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Post by (B/229) Cib Fri 10 Feb 2017, 10:42

Apologies for my technical difficulties. 2 rift disconnects and then the internet went off Grrrr.
Nice mission but as mentioned too long for the slicks to sit waiting. I would rather have further to fly than sitting around.
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Post by (B/229) Blade Fri 10 Feb 2017, 10:51

Or maybe doing some initial FARP resupply task back and forth while CAS is sweating for us, or piling up the troops from take-off field into FARP to fly them to LZ  after it's cleared. "Idle hands are the devil's workshop." Smile only trying to be constructive... Embarassed still can't thank enough to Painter...

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Post by (B/229) Gizzy Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:54

(B/229) Painter wrote:.... I will think about it how I can shorten this waiting time or how I can make thinks a bit more interesting during this time.

Thanks Painter for the Miz... it's good...

For the Slicks... with G/S......

From T/O to FARP straight line - put some significant nasty stuff (real or just  INTEL) to ensure (or dictate) a good dog leg.  INTEL dictates SAMS so NOE required.  Have 'hidden on F10 map' random small groups of enemy infantry (small arms only) positioned on expected routes.  These will engage the flight as they go along.  

This will necessitate

  • Flight planning by Leads
  • avoidance action - correct 'break' tactics initiated by lead with G/S escort calls.
  • G/S suppression
  • re-group
  • continue mission.


x1, x2, x3 etc how many you want?  Very Happy

Have INTEL dictate a different route back with similar or WORSE threats...

OUT & RETURN This Introduces ...


  • NOE earth flying - always exciting in formation - improves all skills no end.... Smile
  • a random attack factor for the slicks - they know they are probably going to be attacked but not know where!.... These positions can be moved regularly so no new mission play is the same.
  • additional problems for the Flight Leader and G/S escort to deal with as per SOP's
  • Practices correct threat calls (type, bearing, distance) amongst all the flight
  • Get the balance right with enemy group size and armament and no ships SHOULD be lost


'Balance' can be easily worked out with a simple straight line flight mission any night...
In initial runs have a option of a FARP spawn if any transport flight is lost en-route by enemy fire or collision etc...  makes it more playable for all experience levels..

Just an idea....
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Post by (B/229) Painter Fri 10 Feb 2017, 12:13

Very helpful ideas and comments so far!

(D/229) Gizzy wrote:From T/O to FARP straight line - put some significant nasty stuff (real or just  INTEL) to ensure (or dictate) a good dog leg.  INTEL dictates SAMS so NOE required.  Have 'hidden on F10 map' random small groups of enemy infantry (small arms only) positioned on expected routes.  These will engage the flight as they go along.  
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[*]a random attack factor for the slicks - they know they are probably going to be attacked but not know where!.... These positions can be moved regularly so no new mission play is the same.
I like the ideas Gizzy. How can I trigger groups "randomly"?
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Post by (B/229) Specter Fri 10 Feb 2017, 12:20

Use a random flag and then use flag is less than and flag is more that in the groups

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Post by (B/229) Gizzy Fri 10 Feb 2017, 12:26

Automatically random placement would require a bit of scripting ....

Here I meant the mission designer anticipates the transport flight routes and places small enemy groups randomly at say 2 cut points of the route.  It may take several groups to cut a route.  With the properties of these groups set to 'hidden on map' as you know the incoming flight would have no knowledge of their presence or position.

Every once in a while the designer changes enemy position / routes  to remove complacency of the slicks ha ha BUT keeps perfect control of things...

A bit of experimentation would let you know what works....  run a simple miz locally to experiment and get a few guys to join...  I'll be up for it any night.....
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Post by (B/229) Painter Fri 10 Feb 2017, 20:12

New mission version 003

changelog:
- Viggen added
- random red infantry added
- convoy at FARP added
- fixed wing changed to hot-start to reduce waiting time for slicks
- minor tweaks
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Post by (B/229) Specter Sat 11 Feb 2017, 09:44

nice one Painter, looking forward to it - may want to change it up a little and make it a little more diffucult for the A10C's by adding a single SA-13 somewhere around the lake IMPO

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Post by (B/229) Painter Sat 11 Feb 2017, 14:57

Sure - will do.
I am also thinking about to add Air2Air threads and configure 2 Mirages accordingly.
I guess will be online tonight around 2300z, if somebody wanna fly it again.
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Post by (B/229) evilivan Sat 11 Feb 2017, 14:58

[quote="(B/229)I guess will be online tonight around 2300z, if somebody wanna fly it again.[/quote]

I should be around.

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Post by (B/229) evilivan Sat 11 Feb 2017, 14:59

...and the only feedback I had was the height of the tanker, as per conversation on TS.

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Post by (B/229) Cib Mon 27 Feb 2017, 16:32

Dabomb has uploaded the fixed versions of the Abandon ship mission. Anyone fancy joining me to try to complete it this evening? Start about 19.00, hope to have some assistance Smile
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Post by (B/229) Cib Tue 07 Mar 2017, 18:11

I hope to be around for a couple of hours on Thursday if anyone fancies some flying Smile
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Post by (B/229) evilivan Tue 07 Mar 2017, 23:47

Nasty so called friends invited me to dinner - and silly me accepted.

Have fun.

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Post by (B/229) Cib Thu 20 Apr 2017, 08:09

Almost back to normal down on the farm and I will be online tonight between visits to check the cows. Hope to see some bravo pilots on. Also to the new guys if you can pop in to say high and I will hopefully schedule some training for you
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Post by (B/229) Flick Fri 21 Apr 2017, 16:35

Cib. You devil... we all know that "check the cows" is code for something altogether less innocent.. If you fancy a flight sometime I am well up for it...
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Post by (D/229) Flubber Fri 21 Apr 2017, 20:50

Oh my god I just googled 'check the cows'... don't watch the videos.


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Post by (B/229) Cib Mon 01 May 2017, 19:51

I will be online tomorrow afternoon early evening if any of the new WOCs would like to do some basic wings training.
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Post by (B/229) ice_crusher Mon 01 May 2017, 20:31

Hey Cib, I would love to join you for some basic wings training.
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Post by (B/229) Cib Wed 27 Sep 2017, 09:51

Hey Bravo, I am back in the saddle again and look forward to meeting up with you all again and meet any new guys. I will be online Thursday evening and hope you can pop along for a get together and catch up. You can also see what happens to my flying skills when I have had such a long time away from flying my slick Smile
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Post by (D/229) Flubber Fri 29 Sep 2017, 12:10

It was loike yowv never bin away aye it.

Welcome back Sir.

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