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Post by (HHC/229) Strut Sun 23 Aug 2015, 04:17

Im not going to beat around the bush, im going to be direct and brutal, but not nasty, but as a group and as individuals we need to get a few things squared away when training and when doing serious missions is concerned. The following points need to be adhered to when we fly with so many people and this should be acknowledged so that we dont get confusion and annoy everybody. So that everybody can learn and enjoy the flying as well. We are a "Quasi" Semi - military organization and to fly to the standard that we want we must adhere to a few factors, mainly personal and group discipline which is the glue that makes military units great or lack of bad. The following is a few points i have identified and should be heeded by all members of the 229th.

1. Please dont take this personally or feel "Butt hurt" if you "fit the bill", this is new to most people and some people should also know better.  But ! because as we are a "Quasi" military organization, we need to work with structure and discipline using Radio Telephone Procedure ( RTP). So in other words simply just shut up on Team Speak (TS) until a response is required of you. We dont need to hear if you have stubbed your toe, or your girlfriend had genital warts, or your boyfriend prefers doggy style, just keep it to yourself and only transmit when required. In simple terms shut up.

2. Timings and Training - If you say you will be at training make sure you are on Teams Speak at least 10 to 15 minutes early before scheduled training or missions, this will help with the training / missions starting on time, allows mods to be set up, servers to be reset as required and pilots to be allotted slots. Also if training is being conducted and you didnt at any stage flag attendance please dont just jump in and talk on Team Speak or grab an Aircraft, its just plane ignorant and makes you look like a donkey!  Please either communicate with whoever is in charge or one of the blokes who has some official standing or rank at the time by using TS chat or in game chat to communicate your intentions or request to join the server. You may not intend it to be but it is rude and shows your ignorance. So please pay heed to what is going on. If there is no room for you on the server then dont get "Butt hurt" just accept that the world doesnt revolve around you. We are mostly adults , so act like one.

3. If you are pleasantly pissed or drunk, or under the affects of some "woopie weed" please dont bother joining the mission or joining the TS channel, you may not think your sounding or acting abnormal, but let me assure you you are and are making the mission / training a difficult and unpleasant experience for the other members and pilots present. If the cap fits wear it. So stay off and sleep it off, we will catch you again at a later time and place and endeavor to enjoy your company.

3. Lastly, all the things i have spoken about are just plain common sense and common courtesy, by all means have fun in our general missions and flying that we do, where courtesy should also exist but as i have stressed above when in the case of organized training and organized missions please pay heed. If you want or are in need of counseling because of my firm , fair and friendly dialogue please contact me and i will point you in the right direction. Also i know sarcasm is hard to articulate on print, but dont take things personal and lighten up !!

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Post by (C/229) Frenchy Sun 23 Aug 2015, 04:48

Just a little point Strut, we were in the O Club/Lounge channel which probably isnt the smartest for training. That channel is there for shooting the shit.

Apart from that yes I agree with most of your points. Some of us were flying for the first time in months and with latency across 3 continents I dont quite think it was drunken flying.

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Post by (HHC/229) Strut Sun 23 Aug 2015, 05:42

@ Frenchy - Point taken, but regardless of where we are in TS during "Official" training / mission then all the above should and does apply. Next time im sure we will move to a Company Channel etc. Also, we all know what latency is and its effects and who was being effected and i agree with you, but as i said ' if the cap fits wear it", so dont take it personally. Also we do have the odd individual that does fly "under the influence" as opposed to lag and "on-line conditions, they know who they are.

Once again dont take it personally !
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Post by (B/229) Sleipner Sun 23 Aug 2015, 08:58

For bravo coy, it was not a syndrome of "too much beers" but rather a syndrome of "not enough coffee"…

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By the way Strut, would it be possible you or another officer of the battalion write down a standard procedure to integrate those organized training and organized missions so we will no more appear like impolite, ignorant or donkeys… cyclops

The mission was scheduled at 0200 zulu, I came online at 0130. More than 10 pilots were in the officer room, more than 10 hueys were in the air. I said hello but everyone was very concentrated on their duty. I waited for a slot to be available. I was not sure what to do.

I'm sure it will be much more comfortable if we have a strict procedure so no one feel offended.

Anyway, I had a fantastic moment flying with you guys! Thank you all, and special thanks to the instructors who are sharing without counting.

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Post by (B/229) NeF Sun 23 Aug 2015, 09:41

;} Roger that Sleip
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Post by (D/229) Xtra Sun 23 Aug 2015, 09:51

Good points Strut. How was the rest of the mission? And I thought it was a night mission?
Anyone has a track he can post?
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Post by (A/229) Chuck Sun 23 Aug 2015, 09:55

In the end we practiced formation flying in a regular training map, day time.

Caught some sweet footage of the line astern flight. Should be uploaded to youtube shortly.

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Post by (HHC/229) Strut Sun 23 Aug 2015, 10:00

Thx Xtra, today was a day mission that Flyer was teaching co-ordinated take offs and landings and a 10 ship flight in trail. It was great to see all the blokes taking on board what Flyer was trying to impart. As to Sliepner and Nef , like i said , "if the cap fits wear it " but unfortunately some peoples feelings may get hurt, obviously my comments cut close to the bone, but ive said what needs to be said.
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Post by (D/229) Xtra Sun 23 Aug 2015, 10:02

Sleipner. What kind of standard procedure do you mean? About the joining and starting up a bigger mission/training or something for the execution?
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Post by (B/229) Sleipner Sun 23 Aug 2015, 10:20

I think i'm not leveled enough in reading and writting in english to understand the subleties of this.

I'll catch you on TS Xtra, it will be more easy for me to explain.

Next time i'll remember to shut up...
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Post by (HHC/229) Strut Sun 23 Aug 2015, 12:13

Great video Chuck, thanks for that, i love the effects you manage to create, you are very good at it.

Also to those that feel offended about what i wrote above, i apologize if you feel its a bit harsh and knowing that sarcasm and humor goes over the heads of "international understanding" in some cases it may be taken the wrong way as it obviously has. This i do apologize for. And as i was inferring if this doesnt fit you then be assured i wasnt aiming my comments at you. So for example in place of "Shut up" please insert "refrain from verbalizing". And in place of "Donkey" lets just leave it at "ignorant" However my meaning and sentiments remain the same.


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Post by (C/229) Highway Sun 23 Aug 2015, 12:16

Nice video Chuck, we actually looked pretty good for such a large flight and I enjoyed the sortie today and it definitely shows that I need some more time in the seat (I was 4 there).
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Post by (B/229) NeF Sun 23 Aug 2015, 13:10

Strut, calling our fellows virtual pilots donkeys or ignorants is indeed above my level of humour and sarcasm. I suggest you to get in touch with the persons you have a problem with instead of insulting the whole group, hiding behind the "don't take it personal" or "who the cap fits".
The case is over for me, if you feel you want to continue this argument we can find a channel on TS (sorry cant see you at the pub) and get things squared out.
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Post by (C/229) Frenchy Sun 23 Aug 2015, 14:29

Sweet video chuck Smile really gave a great feel to the effort we put in and the overall difficulty of the exercise.
I love the pans and dolly movements you get. Are you using a something special for that? 
Second, are you boosting your settings and re recording a reply from the track or you fly with that silky smooth Anti Aliasing as well? Smile

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Post by (A/229) Chuck Sun 23 Aug 2015, 14:36

(C/229) Highwayman wrote:Nice video Chuck, we actually looked pretty good for such a large flight and I enjoyed the sortie today and it definitely shows that I need some more time in the seat (I was 4 there).

So YOU were number 4? I was in the number 5 slot! Bugger, I almost crashed into you a number of times ha ha! cheers Very Happy Razz Laughing

Totally my fault though.

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Post by (B/229) abCarlos Sun 23 Aug 2015, 15:33

Nice video, nice editing! Great to see you guys flying like that.

And; WILCO.
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Post by (B/229) Cib Sun 23 Aug 2015, 17:11

Looks like it went well. Sorry I missed it Smile
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Post by Guest Sun 23 Aug 2015, 18:41



It paid off. This was flown last night after training.

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Post by (C/229) Frenchy Sun 23 Aug 2015, 23:45

Haha, pretty sure that's me at 5 all over the shop, sorry boys. Will work hard on formation practice. Otherwise sweet vid and was really fun to try little mission

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Post by (HHC/229) flyer Mon 24 Aug 2015, 00:19

Gentlemen, from an instructional view point and being the first of many practice session to come...I'm very proud of you and the work ethics that you are putting into this makes me feel humbled to fly with such a dedicated and serious group...I salute all of you...
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Post by (HHC/229) Strut Mon 24 Aug 2015, 02:38

(B/229) NeF wrote:Strut, calling our fellows virtual pilots donkeys or ignorants is indeed above my level of humour and sarcasm. I suggest you to get in touch with the persons you have a problem with instead of insulting the whole group, hiding behind the "don't take it personal" or "who the cap fits".
The case is over for me, if you feel you want to continue this argument we can find a channel on TS (sorry cant see you at the pub) and get things squared out.

Your welcome to come on anytime and "talk" to me Nef. So taking your advice i will talk to you then. Please feel free to let me know when we can talk.
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Post by (B/229) NeF Mon 24 Aug 2015, 08:58

Strut, from what you wrote me I assume you didn't want to insult our community but the vocabulary was indeed a bit too harsh. I'm done with this but we can always have a chat on TS if desired.
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Post by (A/229) Bandit 89 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 23:27

Excellent videos Chuck and Ohgr. Very inspiring for someone like me who hasn't gotten that far yet.


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